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Engine Vein Copper Mine

Hob Uid: 76343
Location :
Cheshire East
Nether Alderley
Grid Ref : SJ8600077500
Summary : Copper mine, first historical reference in 1708, closed in 1879, the site of Engine Vein opencast copper mine on Alderley Edge. The site retains evidence of a variety of mining techniques, dating back to the Bronze Age. The eastern half of the site consists of an opencast about 15 metres deep, the floor of which has been capped with concrete. This trench bisected several shallow pits of Bronze Age date, formed by miners using stone hammers to extract the copper nodules. A bisected shaft is visible at SJ 86077747, representing Roman or possibly medieval workings. Examples of further hand picking dating from the medieval period to the 18th century can also be seen, along with evidence for extraction by blasting, which took place from 1857.
More information : Old mine-workings for copper have been identified at
Engine Vein (SJ 8605 7748), Brindlow (c. SJ 855 773), Stormy
Point (SJ 8611 7784), in Windmill Wood quarry (SJ 8550 7760) and
at Saddlebole (SJ 8604 7810), but only at Brindlow were they
undisturbed by later workings. They were open workings and
a large number of grooved stone hammers have been recovered
either from the pits or their tips. The hammers (illustrated in
1) were first assigned c. 1874, to the Bronze Age by Professor
Boyd Dawkins, but later because an oak shovel (illustrated in 3)
and an iron pick were found in association with hammers (the shovel
at an unspecified spot between 1876 and 1878, and the pick at
Engine Vein c. 1904) were considered Romano-British.

Oliver Davies considers that there was pre-Roman mining at
Alderley Edge, citing stone picks with terminal rills and a
shapely ovoid stone pick in Chester Museum as prehistoric tools,
though he says the "rough rilled hammers" are "probably of
recent date". He is non-committal on Roman mining there.

The first historical reference to mining at Alderley Edge is in
1708, but earlier activity is shown by the identification at
Saddlebole of a 'bole' ( a smelting hearth with wind draught
only, which in Derbyshire mining dates to 16th/17th c.), and an
ore-crushing Windmill at the west side of Windmill Wood(a).
The mines were finally closed in 1879. (1-4)

There are numerous old shafts, drifts and levels in the area,
including open workings at the places mentioned. The area is
heavily wooded.
Mr. Petch reports that of the two 'hammer-stones' in the
Grosvenor Museum, one is probably no more than a glacial
erratic, and the other appears to be a medieval clod-breaker. (5)

At Brynlow there is evidence of minor surface quarrying. The
area is grass covered and the age of the quarrying could not be
deduced.
A grooved hammer-stone, similar to those illustrated by Roeder,
(one of Davies' rough rilled hammers), was found during
investigation at SJ 8613 7786. It was lying among debris below
the Stormy Point mines. See sketch. (6)

Additional reference. (7)

SJ 86037748. The site of Engine Vein opencast copper mine on Alderley Edge. The site retains evidence of a variety of mining techniques, dating back to the Bronze Age. The eastern half of the site consists of an opencast about 15 metres deep, the floor of which has been capped with concrete. This trench bisected several shallow pits of Bronze Age date, formed by miners using stone hammers to extract the copper nodules. A bisected shaft is visible at SJ 86077747, representing Roman or possibly medieval workings. Examples of further hand picking dating from the medieval period to the 18th century can also be seen, along with evidence for extraction by blasting, which took place from 1857. There are also 3 shaft heads, now sealed by locked covers, within the site. One of these is known as 'Pot Shaft' and has Roman workings below ground. The western half of the site is partly infilled by eroded material from the pit sides. At the eastern end are 2 large spoil heaps. On the lip of the south east end of the opencast is an excavated pit leading down into a mine entrance, now sealed with a steel door. Some hand picking and blasted surfaces above this entrance can be dated to 1957, when the TA attacked the site with explosives, pickaxes, crow bars and spades. Scheduled. (8)

Listed. (9)

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Source details : Alderley Edge and its Neighbourhood 1843 32 (L D Stanley)
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Source details : The Copper Industry, Vol.1, Cheshire 2a-c, 1995
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Source details : Rambles round Macclesfield, 1878, 65, (J.D. Sainter)
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Source details : Roman Mines in Europe 1935 35 35 fn 140 160 (Oliver Davies)
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Source details : Letter, D.F. Petch, Curator Grosvenor Museum, Chester 31.10.62
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Monument Types:
Monument Period Name : Bronze Age
Display Date : Bronze Age
Monument End Date :
Monument Start Date :
Monument Type : Copper Workings
Evidence : Earthwork
Monument Period Name : Roman
Display Date : Roman
Monument End Date : 410
Monument Start Date : 43
Monument Type : Copper Mine
Evidence : Earthwork, Subterranean Feature
Monument Period Name : Medieval
Display Date : Medieval
Monument End Date : 1540
Monument Start Date : 1066
Monument Type : Copper Mine
Evidence : Earthwork, Subterranean Feature
Monument Period Name : Post Medieval
Display Date : Until 1879
Monument End Date : 1879
Monument Start Date : 1540
Monument Type : Copper Mine, Adit, Crushing Mill, Dressing Mill, Shaft, Smeltery
Evidence : Earthwork, Subterranean Feature, Documentary Evidence
Monument Period Name : 20th Century
Display Date : Attacked by TA in 1957
Monument End Date : 1957
Monument Start Date : 1957
Monument Type : Copper Mine, Military Training Site
Evidence : Earthwork

Components and Objects:
Related Records from other datasets:
External Cross Reference Source : Scheduled Monument Legacy (National No.)
External Cross Reference Number : 33859
External Cross Reference Notes :
External Cross Reference Source : National Monuments Record Number
External Cross Reference Number : SJ 87 NE 17
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Related Warden Records :
Related Activities :
Associated Activities :
Activity type : FIELD OBSERVATION (VISUAL ASSESSMENT)
Start Date : 1962-10-26
End Date : 1962-10-26
Associated Activities :
Activity type : FIELD OBSERVATION (VISUAL ASSESSMENT)
Start Date : 1964-09-10
End Date : 1964-09-10
Associated Activities :
Activity type : GEOPHYSICAL SURVEY
Start Date : 1997-01-01
End Date : 1997-12-31
Associated Activities :
Activity type : EXCAVATION
Start Date : 1997-01-01
End Date : 1997-12-31